{"id":1065,"date":"2013-01-10T10:34:24","date_gmt":"2013-01-10T10:34:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?p=1065"},"modified":"2013-01-11T10:22:25","modified_gmt":"2013-01-11T10:22:25","slug":"forgeries-with-signatures-are-still-forgeries","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?p=1065","title":{"rendered":"Forgeries with signatures are still Forgeries"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It is no secret that most of the stamps from Armenia offered on eBay and Co. are forgeries. This lot is no exception.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?attachment_id=1069\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1069\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1069\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?attachment_id=1069\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/lot-o-fakes-sold.jpg?fit=688%2C209&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"688,209\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"lot o fakes sold\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/lot-o-fakes-sold.jpg?fit=300%2C91&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/lot-o-fakes-sold.jpg?fit=640%2C194&amp;ssl=1\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1069\" alt=\"lot o fakes sold\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/lot-o-fakes-sold.jpg?resize=640%2C194\" width=\"640\" height=\"194\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/lot-o-fakes-sold.jpg?w=688&amp;ssl=1 688w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/lot-o-fakes-sold.jpg?resize=300%2C91&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s have a look at the stamps. All overprints are crude forgeries and the rectangular and star fantasy cancels are a well known and safe indicators for faked overprints too. See Tchilinghirian and Ceresa.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?attachment_id=1067\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1067\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1067\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?attachment_id=1067\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745001.jpg?fit=1102%2C935&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1102,935\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"dec745001\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745001.jpg?fit=300%2C254&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745001.jpg?fit=640%2C543&amp;ssl=1\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1067\" alt=\"dec745001\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745001.jpg?resize=640%2C543\" width=\"640\" height=\"543\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745001.jpg?w=1102&amp;ssl=1 1102w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745001.jpg?resize=300%2C254&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745001.jpg?resize=1024%2C868&amp;ssl=1 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The seller offers a scan of the back side too and you can see he is not lying when he says the stamps are signed.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?attachment_id=1068\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1068\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1068\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?attachment_id=1068\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745002.jpg?fit=1102%2C935&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1102,935\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"dec745002\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745002.jpg?fit=300%2C254&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745002.jpg?fit=640%2C543&amp;ssl=1\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1068\" alt=\"dec745002\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745002.jpg?resize=640%2C543\" width=\"640\" height=\"543\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745002.jpg?w=1102&amp;ssl=1 1102w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745002.jpg?resize=300%2C254&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/dec745002.jpg?resize=1024%2C868&amp;ssl=1 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Of course a sign can be applied by everyone. In this case someone made a pencil sign. It has no value whatsoever since we already know all overprints and cancels are fake. Besides, it is not a known signature of an expert. And in case of Armenia there are a lot of signatures (of experts too) and only very few indicate a genuine stamp and overprint.<\/p>\n<p>Interesting (and a bit sad) is to see how a simple pencil sign brings several bidders to offer (and in one case spend) more than 120 USD on material which is worthless fakes. I wrote the seller while the auction was still open and explained that he offers fakes and sent a link to this site so he can see I know what I speak about. I got no reaction.<\/p>\n<p>The seller writes: &#8220;Each lot is sold as Genuine unless otherwise described&#8221;. Also on his me-site: &#8220;I have been collection stamps for 30 years and since 2004 I have been selling stamps on ebay as a business.&#8221; A collector for over 30 years and a professional seller should be aware of the fakes situation regarding different collection areas. Each catalog (Michel, Scott etc) has remarks in the sections if forgeries are present.<\/p>\n<p>So my message to the bidders is, either learn about your collection area or rather spent 10 USD for an instant opinion that 123 USD for crap. You are welcome to use this service!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?attachment_id=1066\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1066\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1066\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?attachment_id=1066\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/sellers-of-fake-lot.jpg?fit=761%2C785&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"761,785\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"sellers of fake lot\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/sellers-of-fake-lot.jpg?fit=290%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/sellers-of-fake-lot.jpg?fit=640%2C660&amp;ssl=1\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1066\" alt=\"sellers of fake lot\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/sellers-of-fake-lot.jpg?resize=640%2C660\" width=\"640\" height=\"660\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/sellers-of-fake-lot.jpg?w=761&amp;ssl=1 761w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stampsofarmenia.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/sellers-of-fake-lot.jpg?resize=290%2C300&amp;ssl=1 290w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It is no secret that most of the stamps from Armenia offered on eBay and Co. are forgeries. This lot is no exception. Let&#8217;s have a look at the stamps. All overprints are crude forgeries and the rectangular and star &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/?p=1065\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"footnotes":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[4,8],"tags":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p11E12-hb","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1065"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1065"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1065\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1072,"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1065\/revisions\/1072"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1065"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1065"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stampsofarmenia.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1065"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}